Constructive Solutions to AKC $$$$ Woes

150 – September, 2010

by Dr. Bob G. Smith

This month’s article is a compilation of comments taken from the Facebook Group: Constructive Solutions to AKC $$$$ Woes. BECOME PART OF THE SOLUTION! This group, consisting of 824 members, was formed to offer members a forum in which to offer suggestions to improving the financial/management/structural situation at the American Kennel Club. All of the comments below were direct quotes.

I have grouped comments into more than 15 areas for ease of reading. There are many, many more comments on the FB website at the internet address listed below. A “bullet” designates a suggestion made by an individual member. I have deliberately omitted the names of the contributors and corrected any misspellings, grammatical miscues, and errant punctuation marks to assist in the flow of the information. Italics are inserted by the author for clarification only.

However, if an idea piques an interest, the reader can go to: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=121504634549313 to see all of the comments, unabridged and contributor identified. Also, if the reader would like to comment on any of these posts, the FB Group is still active and by joining for free, one can post a new solution or contribute to a discussion that has already been posted.

The author hopes you will find the following comments and ideas to be of interest. I believe that we all have a major stake in finding a solution to AKC’s financial situation. As the originator of the FB group, I am grateful to the many members who have made suggested solutions in this forum. As the group moderator, I only made judgments about the appropriateness of the comments as related to the topic—nothing else. Enjoy.

ADDITIONAL SHOW CLASSES

• I think one area that AKC has not looked at, and should have, before opening the doors to the mixed breeds, is to offer alter classes, the same as the cat shows and UKC. It would be very valuable when selecting a stud dog, to see more of his get. How often have we sold that 8 week old puppy on a spay/neuter agreement because we didn’t have show homes, and then seen it as an adult (now neutered) and wished we could show it? And imagine that these are still purebreds!

• The only conformation class I think we can possibly justify altered dogs in is maybe Veterans. If you create an altered class, you end up sending a bad message politically. Showing is supposed to improve breeding quality with an AKC stamp of approval…supposed to, anyway. Altered dogs send the wrong message, perhaps unless you can prove that you’ve stored their semen. Not sure how that works for bitches though.

• I wish AKC would come up with an “altered class” as so many of you have already suggested. I know many people (including myself) that would love to enter a dog that was neutered in a special class. I find it hard that I can’t enter my purebred dog which had beautiful conformation, but people can enter mixed breed dogs in agility/rally/obedience. His tail was docked way too short, therefore he was neutered when we saw that he wouldn’t stand a chance in the ring. I would sign him up for every show I could find if I would be allowed to enter him, and I know lots of people that would love to bring out dogs that they no longer breed and got fixed.

• Your suggestion for the ‘altered class’ is excellent and I think AKC should look into this before going further with the mixed /hybrid /designer dog entries.

• I can tell you that the Grand Champion points are encouraging a “few” of our people to put their dogs out; but any other program offered by AKC for titles on front or back probably wouldn’t mean or do much because the parent club titles that offer the same are more “valued” (e.g. ROM title on a dog or bitch). While I am an entirely conformation person, performance venues seem to be the wave of the future for people to compete in. Adding flyball and any other venue, like dance, would simply be a profit maker. Would I do them? No, but they are hugely popular with the public. Start them after Best in Show and you will get a whole different attendance (of course, paid ) for the evening. That should put some dollars in there. You MUST keep it all separate from conformation; but at this point, if it earns money….

• Yes it would. If you look at the FCI/Euro shows, it will strengthen the need for “Breeders” to come out. You finish a dog as a Jr. Champion (under 18 months of age). Then the dog must come back out after the age of 2 years and earn 2 majors to acquire a FULL championship.

• How many finish a pup as he is THE TOP DOG but after 2 years of age he is so ugly he is never seen again? A Breeder would have some return of pride in bringing out that middle-aged adult and showing that the dog has held its quality.

• I truly believe in it. I do not attempt to finish a dog in my kennel until adulthood as I do not believe that a pup should be given the title of CH.

• I show an 8 year-old dog occasionally that judges ask his age as he appears like a 2-3 year-old dog. He does other social demo work in his retirement. But, I do not special him due to $$. But I would have put a Jr. Ch and a Full Ch on him, instead of just his CH in AKC & UKC.

• In order to increase entries, AKC needs to entice new exhibitors, but most Novice O/H are nervous about entering regular classes. Clubs & AKC need to offer a class that serves as a “Gateway” event to put them at ease & encourage proper handling skills. How about “Sr. Handling” competition modeled after Jr. Handling? New exhibitors can have some ring time to get comfortable, they can practice their skills in a non-pro environment & eventually move to regular classes. Standard entry fees apply, but as an additional entry would be significantly lower ($5).

• Veteran’s title: bring the old ones back in the ring to prove they still have it. A Veteran entry today took Best of Breed for our first Sporting Dog Specialty!

• I may be speaking from ignorance as I have just started showing, but why doesn’t the AKC open an altered entry status like Canada? Perhaps it would generate more interest in “showing”. I do not support mixed breeds in the AKC, but other than a few pamphlets for people who attend a show the process and info is overwhelming.

AKC MAILINGS

• Today, I received 10 envelopes (5 duplicates) for my 2 specialty shows plus the 6 already received, and expect that there will be more to come. In reply to the thread on multiple mailings, here are some numbers to think about. The company that I work for employs about 3,000 people. They recently stopped mailing us… our pay stubs & we can download them from the internet. This is saving the company an astounding $54,600 per year (3000 people x 52 weeks x .35 per mailing).

• $0.35/mailing is underestimated by a LARGE amount. Typically the labor and or computer costs overshadow that amount by a significant amount. I don’t know if it is still true, but the number I remember was somewhere between $25.00 to $50.00 per mailing.

• We receive the same number of multiple mailings for our shows also. How can this be cost effective?

AKC STAFF

• AKC claims it costs over 2 million bucks a year to “maintain” the judges’ department. I’m willing to bet the biggest part of that figure (if it’s accurate) is the salaries and expense accounts for the Field Reps. You know the reps:  the instant all breed judges. Reps were originally supposed to help clubs with problems… on the day, if any…not watch and report on judges, etc. If that were still their only job, the cost of them could go to Show Plans, where it belongs…not be attributed to judges. We don’t need AKC’s “maintenance” anyway…if AKC’d modernize and do things online and not waste all that paper…everyone would be better off! It’d save money AND the environment!

• 1-Field Reps out of Judges Dept. and put them into Show Plans or Show Operations, and 2–modernize, by getting rid of all the duplicate paperwork and do more online–digitally, if you will.

• Perhaps the people at the top would like to take a 20% pay cut. They would probably still be overpaid if you actually consider their individual productivity. And it would all be for the good of the Non-Profit Organization they are employed by. Really if they were worth what they get paid why would we need to give them FREE input regarding solutions to the problems they are facing?

• Maybe part of ICG (AKC’s Internal Consultant Group) should be volunteers that come in 2-3 times a month and meet, sort of a think tank of new ideas.

AKC SUPERINTENDED SHOWS

• I have only been showing for 1 1/2 years now, so hopefully what I say will make some sense. Couldn’t AKC increase its revenue by putting on shows (superintendent)? Not only could they receive entry fees, but they could also receive the processing fees as well. It’s just a thought that makes sense to me. Initially, I’m sure this would require a lot of manpower, but I’m willing to become part of the solution by volunteering my time until AKC can get back on their feet. By having AKC put on shows, their income would substantially increase. Additionally, not to knock the other affiliates who receive/process entry fees, but AKC should form its own department for accepting entry fees/processing fees. I’m telling you, this solution would economically put AKC back on top. More members would be inclined to use them with the above-mentioned service because we want AKC to succeed!!! At the same time, AKC could lower entry fees to increase the number of people showing and still make substantial gains. I truly believe this would far outweigh the concerns related to lack of registration. I sincerely hope that ALL judges and members support this remedy that will not only increase revenue, but increase the number of entries in shows! I think this solution would appease ALL!

BREED REGISTRIES

• There are other choices too but most don’t have the credibility. If AKC isn’t reputable enough to protect your name which you pay to register it with them, then how is AKC legitimate? If it claims to be a registry but doesn’t act like a registry, then there are a lot of questions that need answering.

• What are you going to do if they go under now? AKC owns the breed pedigree databases. I’m failing to see how a registered kennel name with AKC means you can’t use the name elsewhere? My kennel name is registered with AKC for my main breed only. The SAME prefix happens to be registered to another breeder of another breed. My registering my kennel name does not prevent anyone within my breed from using my kennel prefix to register their dog, not bred by me, with the Field Dog Stud Book, NAVHDA, or NSTRA registries.

• What’s more, AKC could limit your kennel name to being an exclusively AKC-or-else policy. That would render your kennel lines and brand useless once AKC goes out of business. I would purposely NOT register my kennel name with AKC if it chose to raise funds utilizing exclusivity-blackmail. Better to be a friendly AKC, than an iron-paw.

• I think AKC needs to sell its usefulness (if possible) rather than charging kennels, as if pet ownership is some kind of “privilege”. Maybe it is a “privilege” to an animal rightist or animal control activist, but not real Dog Fanciers. It’s a Right. And we need to start behaving as if it is a Right.

• Ultimately, the best way to increase money is to improve the show market. This is a classic business case study in why UKC is growing and AKC is falling apart, losing market share. A lousy product on the decline isn’t worth pulling out the wallet. A better product is. At the end of the day, this truly is an economic product-driven problem, little more than a dollar vote having its say.

• For example, once the exhibitor discovers that he hasn’t gotten his entry fee’s worth, there is a feeling that the show (or showing in general) is a rip-off. The exhibitor and show-breeder can’t be fooled forever. People stop buying your dog show and registration services. Reversing the trend starts with responsibilities that judges, clubs, and even exhibitors have to make the show market more credible.

FANCY LOYALTY

• There are so many great ideas here and I agree with many. I have my own list and it starts with loyalty to the fancy. I think that is the biggest problem they have because if people love you they are far more committed to your success. I think people would be more likely to get all their litters and pups registered for instance. But the more money they have the more they will spend and therefore need. They are not willing to live within their means. That seems clear.

GRAND CHAMPIONS

• I think that AKC should have gone with — Let a dog earn a JR championship (15 points and 2 majors) and then must return to the ring showing after 2 years of age to earn a Full championship with 1 or 2 majors. That would be much simpler than this Grand Championship title. A lot of breeders would welcome this, I believe. As the old saying goes – the older, the better.

• The Grand Championship title won’t bring dogs back out in some breeds when you see the handlers, Breeder-Judges & the big breeders getting the points. It won’t increase revenue because people will get fed up.

HEALTHY CHAMPIONS

• What about establishing some sort of “Healthy Champions” sort of title where a dog can’t go on to Gr. Ch. unless it passes minimum health standards for its breed + earns some sort of performance title in addition to its breed championship? That would promote intelligence as well as start to dispel the BBC “documentary”-type criticism. Brains, beauty & health.

• I agree with you. That being said, I was on the grievance board of one of the major Rott (Rottweiler) clubs. Various registration issues came up during my tenure where we went to the AKC for one reason or another. The consistent response we got back was that the AKC was a registration organization and nothing more. Until there is a realization that registering dogs goes beyond shuffling paperwork, the AKC isn’t going to be able to change that image. They HAVE to be proactive.

• We can only wait to see what comes to pass. I do, however, firmly believe that the AKC brand has to come to mean something substantive to regain the general public’s faith in an AKC dog, & I think that some sort of “brains, beauty & health” title would be a step in that direction. Once the brand connotes something meaningful, then it will carry weight over the various other registries.

• I wish the AKC would show health clearances in the show catalogs. I would continue to show my Ch. bitch if she was given credit for health clearances at the show. It is frustrating to have best of breed awarded to a dog which does not have health clearances, but I would gladly continue to enter shows if the AKC gives my bitch credit for health clearances in the show catalog. The all breed show should be a place where people could see the breeding stock and the future of a favorite purebred dog.

INCOME SOURCES

• So what are all the income sources for the AKC? Which ones could be increased? Are there any new income sources that they could pursue that they are not currently pursuing? Are there any changes that they could make to their current income sources that would increase their revenues. I’ve been in sales for over 30 years…. Whether we like to admit it, or not, the AKC is in the business of selling dog competition as a sport.

• One of the things that happens on a business level with planning is that people get together and simply throw out ideas. Those ideas may seem crazy, but they sometimes spark another idea from someone. Such as the AKC buying the UKC. The AKC buying the cat registry, whatever it is. The AKC certifying “premium” breeders. The AKC having an AKC paraphernalia (t-shirts, hats, etc.) at shows.

• AKC does have booths at some shows selling items with the logo. Bags, shirts, planners, etc…

• Question that relates to the AKC’s “brand”. The better the image of any brand is, the more value that it has. What are some things that the AKC could do to boost their “brand” image, or is it where it should be?

• Another way that AKC could increase their revenues substantially is to require ALL breeders to have a registered kennel name. $50/year for the privilege of registering your litters with them.

• What about publishing a book of great dog photos of the past contained in old Gazettes? That could have broad general market appeal. Or publishing a compilation of great & useful health articles from old Gazettes including a “then & now” comparison of medical approaches. Perhaps find a way to reissue great out of print books from the AKC Library. Find a way to use the print & art resources of AKC’s collections.

• My suggestion is that perhaps the AKC may do better in a business model based on the everyman. Economies of scale based on small sales broadened out to a larger target market may raise revenues compared to higher prices targeted at a narrow base. I believe they’re already doing that with the mixed breed programs, however basic internal cost cutting also has to be part of that fundamental plan.

• Better yet, AKC and its member clubs could earn a lot more if handlers paid a surcharge (similar to my entry fee) for each ring they entered. That could be very lucrative. After all, there is a “cost of doing business” for me. Why shouldn’t that be part of theirs, too?

• In terms of big quick cash, the AKC could announce that in a coming month they would allow for breeders to get their litters and dogs registered without late fees. I think they did this before for a day or a week but there wasn’t time to get registration papers out and sent to owners and there wasn’t much warning (or perhaps I was not aware as soon as I could have been) and that would bring them a big bunch of bucks. But last time I bet it did not.

• I believe, like most problems, AKC has to go to the beginning to solve the problem. AKC should change the registration process. When a litter is registered at that time of submission all puppies should be individually registered. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are lost each year because most of the eligible puppies are never individually registered. Show puppies make up such a small number of puppies and the “show” community cannot shoulder all the burden for raising money. AKC is first and foremost about registration and that’s where the money should come from.

• Something that the AKC does which really torques me is, if you have a puppy, there is a specific time limit within which that puppy needs to be registered. That pup needs to be registered within 12 months or it cannot be registered.

• However, if you have an older dog and you enter into an agreement with someone re: co-ownership, signing that paper and then handing it over, there is no time within which those papers have to be submitted. So, if the papers are signed in 2002, they can be sent in 2007 and still be processed. In addition, the AKC considers the dog’s ownership as having changed even if the papers are never submitted, because one person signed them. The AKC needs to put a time limit, say 6 months, on transfers like this. That way, they will be receiving their registration monies in a timely fashion. In fact, that way they will be receiving their monies.

• The need for transfers may change during the course of a dog’s life. Someone might want to lease a bitch for a litter, or someone might want their name on a dog if it’s being campaigned. That is something that is fluid & can’t be predetermined. What if an owner dies & the dog is re-homed?

• What I am trying to address is holding papers and not submitting them in a timely manner. For instance, if you use a check for payment, that check has a 60-90 day expiration. If it is not submitted within that time, the person to whom it was given needs to request you send them another one. Banks will not cash an old check.

• Registration papers should be somewhat the same. If I sign the papers adding you as an owner send them to you for your signature, those papers should be signed and submitted in a timely manner, within 5-6 months. Waiting for a couple of years to submit them is just inexcusable and it costs the AKC because those monies could have been drawing interest for those couple of years. See More.

• Having worked on the constitution of 3 breed specific area clubs, one obedience club and one all breed club – it is in their recommended constitution and by-laws to promote the sport of purebred dogs. YET in a money making effort they are now allowing mix-breed dogs in performance events. A disappointment in many ways, but yet this is a cash cow if they handle it right. Maybe some new blood in the ICG (AKC’s Internal Consultant Group) or just looking at what other clubs do with their dogs? You are all missing the boat on 2 really fast emerging sports, Nose Work and Messenger Dogs. And, of course, flyball, but that has been around for years and a big draw for many and AKC never expressed interest. Add something that John Q Public would like to do with fluffy without going too far from home – you asked him in, now play with him!

LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION

• I believe Ron Menaker, AKC needs to have an office in NYC so that we are noticed on the World stage, or something to that effect. Basically they do not believe AKC would have any credibility unless it has headquarters in NYC. I am sure that when that lease is up we will see a new lease possibly in a lower rent district than mid-town on Madison Ave., but I find it highly unlikely that AKC will ever leave NYC with out a huge change of administration that can only come from the clubs through the delegate body.

• I still think AKC needs to find ways to cut their expenses. Is a place in NYC necessary? Probably not. I work for a large company that closed one of the 3 main offices to cut expenses.

• And one other thing — get a big piece of land within 50 miles of Raleigh and open something in stages like Purina Farms. We are running out of places to rent and the ones we have are getting so expensive it is crippling to a club to pay 5-7k a day for facilities. You say you aren’t in the business of running dog shows, but you have eked into so many other corners, why not look at the club and exhibitor needs. Reinvent a better wheel.

MULTIPLE SHOWS IN ONE DAY

• My guess is that the big, cluster shows wouldn’t change much. They probably wouldn’t be able to do this type of thing in one day because of the logistics involved. For the smaller shows this could be quite a help. Fewer expenses involved with judges, etc. Gives the exhibitors some advantages too. Canada’s double obedience shows do well.

• UKC already does this and it is already too expensive in both AKC and UKC. On the other hand, it might reduce the cluster phenomenon we’re witnessing and encourage smaller local shows.

POINT SCHEDULE

• I know it’s been said, but AKC really needs to count only all-breed shows when it’s determining the point schedule. In my breed there have even been specialties with no majors recently. AKC should look at the average all-breeds and then determine a realistic point schedule. As always, JMO

• A reexamination of the points schedule could also get more people involved. In my breed, in my state, there aren’t enough class dogs to even assemble a 5 point major! A Standard Poodle friend at a large circuit yesterday said that entries were disastrously low — nowhere near to a major. I’m not saying to make “cheap champions,” but to be realistic about points which would keep people showing & from becoming frustrated.

• I suggest each state have its own point system instead of grouping states into divisions.

• Drop the points requirement &/or realign divisions. Those of us in LA, MS and AL are grouped in with FL, GA, SC… they rarely come this way…don’t have to…so it’s difficult to get some breeds. Lowering the points will help small clubs with their entries as people would enter with the better chance for some points when they don’t have to travel so far. More entries, more money for A huge issue in the AKC registry is the point division. Building Majors to meet the point requirement in a particular area can be very difficult forcing exhibitors to travel which is very costly. This discourages entries and reduces AKC fees that would have been collected.

• AKC changes the point division requirements annually and it’s almost always made more difficult. How can we change this?

• What about having yearly area champions. Divide the country into areas and have a point system from classes to BOB to have a high point winner in each area and breed. There could be a novice and advanced winner. It could encourage another goal to work for.

PUBLIC RELATIONS

• Perhaps the AKC needs to get back to basics, promote the value, the prestige of owning a purebred dog with a traceable pedigree. The partners program for mixed breeds seems to have turned off some AKC loyalists.

• There is a daily blog for PetMD, Fully Vetted, written by a practicing veterinarian. Today’s column highlights AKC’s problem as she puts AKC & puppy mill in the same sentence. The brand must be brought up in the general public’s perception. The Elitist attitude must be downplayed. This has to come from the internal components of AKC and until they “wake up and smell the roses”, nothing that we suggest here will make a dent in the problem. I’d love to see 2 shows in one day. Have done it for years when attending UKC shows & give people more “bang for their bucks”.

• Perhaps … aren’t aware that AKC politics is hindering CONSTRUCTIVE solutions, including its money problems. Provided that AKC was actually willing to address its political flaws, then perhaps its money woes would take care of themselves. AKC is its own worst enemy. Solve the politics and AKC will become constructive, productive, and creative once again.

• If they honored the bred-by class the way it is supposed to be honored, then they would have far more entries (and money) than what they are getting. Giving the new “Grand Champion” title (which sounds like more like a dog-fighting status symbol than a legit conformation validation) an invite to Eukanuba Championships is NOT a constructive solution. It is simply a reward for the “money-dogs” and new business for their handlers; which alienates those who earned their way there by finishing out of the bred-by class or getting in the top 25. It is no wonder entries were down so much at last year’s Eukanuba. That was money that was NOT put in the bank.

• AKC needs to help us by putting some money into why you should have a purebred dog! Also, provide us with some good dog law lawyers to help with the anti-dog laws and ridiculous early spay/neuter laws. We are being assaulted on all sides. If they want more money from registrations, then help us survive and make it “cool” to own a purebred.

• I think it’s way beyond cool and just outright smart to get an AKC pup from a responsible breeder that does all the recommended medical tests on their breeding stock. It makes sense to pay more for a pup upfront instead of way more emotionally and monetarily for getting a pup that has a higher risk of medical issues. Not to say purebred is perfect, but the medical testing sure helps with the breeds. I think that’s an excellent selling point made about the breeding stock of purebred dogs that go through their medical exams.

REGISTRATIONS/REGISTRATION FEES

• I know that this is going to sound counter-productive, but what about REDUCING the registration fees in a move to make up in volume? I don’t know what the other registries cost, but make it attractive financially to register a dog w/AKC. I’m sure that people who don’t register their dogs question what the value is in registering them, so give them a value-added reason to do so. VOLUME & increased numbers should be the goal.

• I agree. It would save money for competitors traveling to shows as well. The IABCA (International All Breed Canine Association) does two shows per day as well.

• How about decreasing the number of shows on a given weekend so we aren’t splitting the entries in so many different directions!

• The only problem with that is more travel for some folks.

• I think there are many things the AKC can do to increase revenue. Some have already been addressed here. Get out of NYC, reduce salaries, (especially at the top), cut travel or make them pay their own way (I believe the delegates have to). I agree with Peggy, as a struggling business owner, I’m NOT raising prices to attract more customers! I also know my staff would bail if I began charging them for the “privilege” to work for me.

• In terms of big quick cash, the AKC could announce that in a coming month they would allow for breeders to get their litters and dogs registered without late fees. I think they did this before for a day or a week but there wasn’t time to get registration papers out and sent to owners and there wasn’t much warning (or perhaps I was not aware as soon as I could have been) and that would bring them a big bunch of bucks. But last time I bet it did not.

• They would need to offer a certificate or letter for owners to send in with their late papers if they were not going to do it for the uninformed as well as the informed. Breeders could include it with the papers sent to owners.

• When we have litters, this is what we do. All puppies are individually registered in my name. When the pups change hands, the new owner & I fill out the papers right then and there so they can be put in the next day’s mail with a check.

• Me, too, I even have them make out the check to AKC! I send it in.

TECHNOLOGY USE

• Use data based entry communication, scanner based communication so that the judge scans the arm band of the dogs they choose placements BOB, etc, information is then not further touched by human hands, entered as qualifications for titles. The less hands and human eyes have to touch data, the more cost, the more error… I should have a scanning gun at the judges table. Similarly, qualifications for more breeds could be done with scanning technology for data based record keeping. Each seminar would be entered in a data base for that judge, each observation etc.

• FYI, the scanner and data based suggestions are based on how Wal-Mart does business. I don’t go to Wal-Mart, but their vendors get paid when their product gets sold, via scanning at the register. Perhaps the AKC could learn from the business models of a few companies known for their efficiency, such as Wal-Mart, Toyota and UPS. While granted there are issues with each of the three examples I gave, taking the best ideas of what works for these three giant businesses could be “profitable.” Filling out forms by hand and sending things snail mail is very inefficient.

TITLES

• While the AKC should do everything they can to reduce internal expenses, another key to economic recovery is increasing attendance at dog shows. While the concept behind the Grand Championship is good, the AKC should have simplified it. Instead of awarding points on the basis of BOB, BOB select, OS, OS select, they should borrow from the field events and award points by ranking BOB entries from first to fourth regardless of sex. They also should eliminate the qualification criteria, which is already becoming a disincentive as no owner wants their BOB designated as unsuitable for Grand Championship points. Also, award points for year end rankings down to fifth, like they already do for Field events.

As the reader has discovered, there is passion, anxiety, and major concern expressed by the contributors to the “Constructive Solutions to AKC’s $$$$ Woes” FB group. All of us in the “Dog Community” have offered suggestions in the hope that somewhere, somehow, sometime soon, solutions will be found that will be the less painful to all the community members.

If you have additional suggestions, feel free to join the FB Group listed above at the web address and post your suggestions. As long as they are constructive and not derogatory to any one individual or group, your suggestions will remain posted as long as the group is active. It is not a site for “taking pot-shots” at anyone or any group.

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